The Japanese manga production standard — two waterproof blacks for two different workflows
Deleter has supplied the Japanese manga industry since 1984. Their inks are used at art schools, by amateur artists, and by professional manga artists whose work appears in weekly publications. Black No. 3 and Black No. 4 are both waterproof when dry — but they serve different workflows and are not interchangeable. The critical distinction is alcohol marker compatibility. Black No. 3 is NOT compatible with alcohol-based markers — applying Copic, Neopiko, or similar alcohol markers over dried No. 3 linework will cause the ink to bleed. Black No. 4 is specifically formulated to resist alcohol-based markers, making it the correct choice for colouring workflows that involve markers over ink. Both inks are for dip pen and brush use only — neither should be used in fountain pens.
Black No. 3 — waterproof, matte, pen and wash
Black No. 3 is a waterproof matte ink designed for manga linework that will be finished with watercolour wash, gouache, or other water-based media — but not with alcohol markers. It dries quickly to a dense matte black that accepts water-based media applied over the top without lifting or bleeding. The absence of alcohol marker compatibility is not a flaw — it is a formulation choice that allows the ink to perform differently in water-based media workflows. For artists working in a purely pen and wash tradition with no alcohol marker colouring, Black No. 3 is the correct choice. Clean nibs and brushes promptly after use — the waterproof chemistry that makes No. 3 resistant to water also makes it resistant to removal once dried on metal.
Black No. 4 — the industry standard, alcohol marker safe
Black No. 4 is Deleter's highest quality ink. It is waterproof when dry, matte in finish, and specifically formulated to resist alcohol-based markers — meaning Copic, Neopiko, Promarker, and similar alcohol-ink markers can be applied directly over dried Black No. 4 linework without causing the ink to bleed, lift, or smear. This makes No. 4 the correct choice for the most common professional manga colouring workflow: ink the page in black, apply alcohol marker colour fills, then add further ink detail if needed. Clean nibs immediately after every session — dried carbon black is significantly harder to remove than standard pigment inks and will reduce nib performance if allowed to accumulate.
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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUSTIONS (FAQ)
Is Deleter Black 4 waterproof?
Not fully waterproof — it is optimised for reproduction fidelity rather than water resistance. Do not apply watercolour or ink wash over linework made with Deleter Black No. 4. For work that requires a waterproof black under wash, use De Atramentis Document Black (dip pen and fountain pen safe) or Kakimori Sumi Black (dip pen only).
How does Deleter Black No. 4 compare to De Atramentis Document Black?
Both are waterproof carbon/pigment blacks suitable for manga production. Deleter Black No. 4 is a carbon black specifically formulated for the Japanese manga production workflow — matte, very dense, and optimised for photocopy and scan reproduction. De Atramentis Document Black is a dye-based waterproof ink — it is also safe in fountain pens (Deleter is not), and has a slightly different dry character. Both are excellent for scanning. For the purist manga production workflow, Deleter No. 4 is the production-standard Japanese choice. For pen and wash illustration where a fountain-pen-safe waterproof black is also needed, De Atramentis Document Black is the right ink.
Is Deleter Black 4 Copic-proof?
Yes, once fully dry (approx. 20-30 mins), it will not bleed when used with alcohol markers like Copics.
Which should I choose — Black No. 3 or Black No. 4?
The decision is simple: do you colour with alcohol-based markers (Copic, Neopiko, Promarker) over your ink linework? If yes, choose Black No. 4 — it is the only Deleter black that resists alcohol markers. If you colour with watercolour, gouache, or other water-based media only, Black No. 3 is the correct choice. If you are unsure, Black No. 4 is the safer starting point — it handles both water-based media and alcohol markers.